: More CB on proto-socialism in capitalism

Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Charles Brown Date: April 3, 2014 at 7:13:56 AM EDT To: charles brown Subject: More CB on proto-socialism in capitalism View 40 more comments Einde O'Callaghan The phrase about "mutual ruin" is a quote from the Communist Manifesto. The example is the Fall of the Roman Empire, i.e. the complete collapse of civilisation. That in my opinion is what is at stake. As Rosa Luxemburg - and before her Engels - said, the choice facing humanity is socialism or barbarism. And I take the danger of the latter very seriously - it may be my age but I'm not as confident that we'll win as I was when I was younger - but that makes me even more resolved to do all I can to prevent this collapse into barbarism! Finally, the idea that any Scandinavian country is socialist is so laughable that I find it difficult to take anybody who thinks this seriously. I diagnose a near fatal dose of taking Fox News as a new source instead of a cesspit of right-wing propaganda! Yesterday at 5:47am · Like · 1 Penelope Duggan My answer to the question? No reason at all. And in any case it didn't. Russia anyone? Sorry, I haven't got the energy to read all the answers but was just amazed I didn't see that right up at the top. 14 hours ago · Like Penelope Duggan Russia betweenthe revolution and Stalinism, obviously. 14 hours ago · Like Alois Blucher Socialized labor is undoubtedly the most effective but under Capitalists it is merely a weapon turned against us. And, dear comrade, there is a fine line between socialized work-infriscructure and a socialized mode of advancement. In a socialist society a man gets what he deserves on account of his merit--hence a meritocracy. Clearly the world is not organized so, as the most successful men and women are not super-hard workers but cheats and liars--plus artists, which i include to say this only is fair. In terms of revolution, while folk are well placed they are NOT well organized. One guy cannot text another to do something and expect a chain-link reaction. This requires intellectual leaders such as us to make happen. 14 hours ago · Like Charles Brown Marx , of course, doesn't ignore that the bourgeoisie use many of what he lists as proto-socialist forms against the working class in the class struggle while still under capitalist relations of production and property. Be clear . Marx is not , and I am not, saying that the US or France or Scandinavia are socialist. But it is fundamental to Marxism that some of socialism is formed within capitalism. The socialist revolution is a dialectical super-cession or sublation of capitalism. That means it both overcomes or negates _and_ preserves some of capitalism. It negates the capitalist private property for and preserves the socialized production. Capitalism prepares the ground for socialism in things like socializing ,to an enormous extent , and on a worldwide scale ( a worldwideweb ) labor. That's why you can't get directly to socialism from feudalism. Feudalism has not prepared things for socialism. As China found out, there is no road to socialism bypassing capitalism. These principles are very basic , fundamental and _necessary_ for espousing Marxism. We know that Marx considered the socialist revolution a dialectical process because of his use of terms like "negation of negation" in the following: "The capitalist mode of appropriation, the result of the capitalist mode of production, produces capitalist private property. This is the first negation of individual private property, as founded on the labour of the proprietor. But capitalist production begets, with the inexorability of a law of Nature, its own negation. It is the negation of negation. This does not re-establish private property for the producer, but gives him individual property based on the acquisition of the capitalist era: i.e., on cooperation and the possession in common of the land and of the means of production. " https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch32.htm Economic Manuscripts: Capital Vol. I - Chapter Thirty Two www.marxists.org Capital Vol. I : Chapter Thirty-Two (Historical Tendency of Capitalist Accumulation) 6 mins · Edited · Like · Remove Preview Charles Brown The emotional thing to get over is that in some ways, socialism is not that different from capitalism. The revolution is not all exciting and new. Some of it is very mundane and boring. Logical but the same old same old. 1 min · Like Write a comment... Rafael Arturo Guariguata via Marxismo Critico 15 hrs "Towards the modern Prince : Gramsci's Machiavellian metaphor": Peter D. 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