Mike Ballard November 7 at 6:21pm near Perth, Western Australia, Australia · https://www.facebook.com/mike.ballard.9256/posts/10152346129484535?comment_id=34856128¬if_t=like Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities. We now have freedom from the absolute sovereignty of monarchs: kings are no longer necessary. We made this so. We humans make our lives freer. We can also succumb to the top down political authority of those who own the wealth we produce. The subjectivity of class rule is made from this servility.
Unlike · · Unfollow Post · Share You, Bryan Glovetsky, Chris Benison and 13 others like this. Paula de Angelis "Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all." November 7 at 6:27pm · Like · 2
Evelyn Bryan "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose." Me and Bobby McGee lol November 7 at 6:32pm · Like · 1
Mike Ballard Why is privilege necessary, Paula de Angelis? Noblesse oblige? November 7 at 7:01pm · Edited · Like
Kamiel Choi "why is power necessary?"... in order to get the privileged out of power banners won't suffice. November 7 at 6:46pm · Like
John O'Brien It is not. There are those born poor, wealthy, and filthy wealthy who believe it is. No amount of education can change their minds. Me, I despise the idea of "privilege" without a conscience. November 7 at 6:47pm · Like
Mike Ballard Nothing left to lose? "Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains." - Karl Marx November 7 at 6:59pm · Like · 3
Evelyn Bryan Right! HA! November 7 at 7:01pm · Like
Mike Ballard Right Kamiel Choi. Political power is necessary to negate the political power of the ruling class. Once this has been accomplished, equal political power between all men and women is established thus, negating political power itself. Conscience plays a role in determining which rulers will be good and which bad; but better to establish individual sovereignty for all, methinks, John. November 7 at 7:13pm · Like · 1
Charles Brown Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities.////// Word Mike Ballard
November 7 at 9:50pm · Like · 1 Charles Brown Artificial scarcity against the working class is the way the bourgeoisie control the masses. November 7 at 9:50pm · Like · 2
Fu Lin-lin Freedom in capitalism says Marx is feedom from private property to the productive means and freedom to enter into a contract with the employer - it is the freedom of being a wage worker. November 7 at 10:38pm · Like
Charles Brown Wage laborers are doubly "free". "Freed" from owning any means of production. Free as opposed to owned like slaves.
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Fu Lin-lin Anbd his freedom is consisted of playing his role as a wage worker..in capitalism. November 7 at 10:45pm · Like
Fu Lin-lin “I want to live free, I want to do what I want.” This is empty and abstract; there is no material content in it. Also the clearer definition – for example, “I want to be free to travel” – never refers to the material implementation of a desire; it does...See More November 7 at 10:54pm · Like · 1
Charles Brown quoth Mike Ballard: "Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities." November 7 at 10:58pm · Like
Fu Lin-lin Ideally speaking, in his brain, but not what freedom is.. November 7 at 11:01pm · Like
Mike Ballard The point is to make it so. November 7 at 11:30pm · Like
Charles Brown Mike Ballard pronounces a principle of freedom in material reality, not in his brain. He pronounces a materialist , not idealist, principle of freedom. November 7 at 11:32pm · Like
Mike Ballard Thank you Charles Brown. Indeed, I know the difference between talking (or quoting long passages I didn't write) and making what I say a reality. I know that words don't make reality, they're just part of human reality. I know that concepts remain e...See More Yesterday at 1:59am · Edited · Unlike · 3
Fu Lin-lin It is Mike's ideal and he does not talk about what freedom that exists, but freedom which is on his mind.. Yesterday at 7:05am · Like
Fu Lin-lin The material world is what exists; the ideal world is what one in his brain, his desire - what the world should be and not what it is... Yesterday at 7:11am · Like
Charles Brown Mike's brain has an idea about freedom in material reality, social reality, outside of his brain. Of course , when he talks to us he has to use words from his brain, but it's not true that it is "Ideally speaking, in his brain, but not what freedom is..". It _is_ what real material freedom outside of his brain IS. Yesterday at 7:15am · Like · 1
Fu Lin-lin Mike analyzes things the way the bourgoise professors talk about economics and politics - what the world should be; and not what the world is, as it exists.. Yesterday at 7:17am · Like
Fu Lin-lin A model for a materialistic way of analyzing the world is the way Marx analyses capitalism in his Capital.. Yesterday at 7:19am · Like
Fu Lin-lin Mike has just expressed a desire. Yesterday at 7:21am · Like
Mike Ballard Marx had no desires? ..."in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming a hunter, fisherman, shepherd, or critic." GERMAN IDEOLOGY 15 hours ago · Unlike · 3
Charles Brown Here Marx expresses desires within materialism:http://www.marxists.org/.../works/1845/theses/theses.htm Theses on Feuerbach www.marxists.org Theses on Feuerbach 31 minutes ago · Like · Remove Preview
Charles Brown The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it. 30 minutes ago · Like
Charles Brown Marx desired to change the world, the material world outside of his brain, but change it based on ideas in his brain. 30 minutes ago · Like
Charles Brown The material world is changed by activity subjectively or from the brain guided, not just contemplating that world: I The chief defect of all hitherto existing materialism – that of Feuerbach included – is that the thing, reality, sensuousness, is conceived only in the form of the object or of contemplation, but not as sensuous human activity, practice, not subjectively. Hence, in contradistinction to materialism, the active side was developed abstractly by idealism – which, of course, does not know real, sensuous activity as such. Feuerbach wants sensuous objects, really distinct from the thought objects, but he does not conceive human activity itself as objective activity. Hence, in The Essence of Christianity, he regards the theoretical attitude as the only genuinely human attitude, while practice is conceived and fixed only in its dirty-judaical manifestation. Hence he does not grasp the significance of “revolutionary”, of “practical-critical”, activity. II The question whether objective truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a practical question. Man must prove the truth — i.e. the reality and power, the this-sidedness of his thinking in practice. The dispute over the reality or non-reality of thinking that is isolated from practice is a purely scholastic question. 27 minutes ago · Like
Charles Brown Practical-critical or revolutionary activity or practice to change the world from a Realm of Necessity to a Realm of Freedom , as Mike says " Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities.", Freedom is the mastery of necessity. http://www.marxists.org/.../works/1877/anti-duhring/ch09.htm 1877: Anti-Duhring - XI. Freedom and Necessity www.marxists.org
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Charles Brown This second definition of freedom, which quite unceremoniously gives a knock-out blow to the first one, is again nothing but an extreme vulgarisation of the Hegelian conception. Hegel was the first to state correctly the relation between freedom and necessity. To him, freedom is the insight into necessity (die Einsicht in die Notwendigheit). "Necessity is blind only in so far as it is not understood [begriffen]."
Freedom does not consist in any dreamt-of independence from natural laws, but in the knowledge of these laws, and in the possibility this gives of systematically making them work towards definite ends. This holds good in relation both to the laws of external nature and to those which govern the bodily and mental existence of men themselves — two classes of laws which we can separate from each other at most only in thought but not in reality. Freedom of the will therefore means nothing but the capacity to make decisions with knowledge of the subject. Therefore the freer a man’s judgment is in relation to a definite question, the greater is the necessity with which the content of this judgment will be determined; while the uncertainty, founded on ignorance, which seems to make an arbitrary choice among many different and conflicting possible decisions, shows precisely by this that it is not free, that it is controlled by the very object it should itself control. Freedom therefore consists in the control over ourselves and over external nature, a control founded on knowledge of natural necessity; it is therefore necessarily a product of historical development. The first men who separated themselves from the animal kingdom were in all essentials as unfree as the animals themselves, but each step forward in the field of culture was a step towards freedom. On the threshold of human history stands the discovery that mechanical motion can be transformed into heat: the production of fire by friction; at the close of the development so far gone through stands the discovery that heat can be transformed into mechanical motion: the steam-engine. — And, in spite of the gigantic liberating revolution in the social world which the steam-engine is carrying through, and which is not yet half completed, it is beyond all doubt that the generation of fire by friction has had an even greater effect on the liberation of mankind. For the generation of fire by friction gave man for the first time control over one of the forces of nature, and thereby separated him for ever from the animal kingdom. The steam-engine will never bring about such a mighty leap forward in human development, however important it may seem in our eyes as representing all those immense productive forces dependent on it — forces which alone make possible a state of society in which there are no longer class distinctions or anxiety over the means of subsistence for the individual, and in which for the first time there can be talk of real human freedom, of an existence in harmony with the laws of nature that have become known. But how young the whole of human history still is, and how ridiculous it would be to attempt to ascribe any absolute validity to our present views, is evident from the simple fact that all past history can be characterised as the history of the epoch from the practical discovery of the transformation of mechanical motion into heat up to that of the transformation of heat into mechanical motion. 22 minutes ago · Like
Charles Brown http://www.marxists.org/.../lenin/works/1908/mec/three6.htm Lenin: 1908/mec: 6. Freedom and Necessity www.marxists.org 6. Freedom and Necessity 5 minutes ago · Like · Remove Preview
Charles Brown I discuss it here: there are two levels of the relationship between thought and being: "economics" and "physics". While society remains in the Realm (or kingdom) of Necessity , society during its class divided history, ruling classes control masses by conditioning fulfillment of the _material_ needs of the exploited classes on the exploited classes ' producing surpluses for the ruling , exploiting classes. The materialism (determinism by the material) at this level derives from the coercive use of conditional provision of material needs. In all societies, including those in the Realm (kingdom of Freedom ( socialist, communist future and ancient) , WHERE DEPRIVATION OF MATERIALI NECESSITIES OF LIFE BY A RULING CLASS IS NO LONGER USED TO COERCE PRODUCTION OF SURPLUSES, THERE IS FREEDOM OF THE TYPE MIKE BALLARD INIATED THIS THREAD WITHall people must , of course, "obey" the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, physiology, objective reality etc. "physics", in the general sense.http://www.mail-archive.com/.../msg01372.html a few seconds ago · Edited · Like
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Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities. We now have freedom from the absolute sovereignty of monarchs: kings are no longer necessary. We made this so. We humans make our lives freer. We can also succumb to the top down political authority of those who own the wealth we produce. The subjectivity of class rule is made from this servility. Unlike · · Unfollow Post · Share
You, Bryan Glovetsky, Chris Benison and 13 others like this. Paula de Angelis "Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all." November 7 at 6:27pm · Like · 2 Evelyn Bryan "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose." Me and Bobby McGee lol November 7 at 6:32pm · Like · 1 Mike Ballard Why is privilege necessary, Paula de Angelis? Noblesse oblige? November 7 at 7:01pm · Edited · Like Kamiel Choi "why is power necessary?"... in order to get the privileged out of power banners won't suffice. November 7 at 6:46pm · Like John O'Brien It is not. There are those born poor, wealthy, and filthy wealthy who believe it is. No amount of education can change their minds. Me, I despise the idea of "privilege" without a conscience. November 7 at 6:47pm · Like Mike Ballard Nothing left to lose? "Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains." - Karl Marx November 7 at 6:59pm · Like · 3 Evelyn Bryan Right! HA! November 7 at 7:01pm · Like Mike Ballard Right Kamiel Choi. Political power is necessary to negate the political power of the ruling class. Once this has been accomplished, equal political power between all men and women is established thus, negating political power itself. Conscience plays a role in determining which rulers will be good and which bad; but better to establish individual sovereignty for all, methinks, John. November 7 at 7:13pm · Like · 1 Charles Brown Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities.////// Word Mike Ballard November 7 at 9:50pm · Like · 1 Charles Brown Artificial scarcity against the working class is the way the bourgeoisie control the masses. November 7 at 9:50pm · Like · 2 Fu Lin-lin Freedom in capitalism says Marx is feedom from private property to the productive means and freedom to enter into a contract with the employer - it is the freedom of being a wage worker. November 7 at 10:38pm · Like Charles Brown Wage laborers are doubly "free". "Freed" from owning any means of production. Free as opposed to owned like slaves. November 7 at 10:44pm · Like Fu Lin-lin Anbd his freedom is consisted of playing his role as a wage worker..in capitalism. November 7 at 10:45pm · Like Fu Lin-lin “I want to live free, I want to do what I want.” This is empty and abstract; there is no material content in it. Also the clearer definition – for example, “I want to be free to travel” – never refers to the material implementation of a desire; it does...See More November 7 at 10:54pm · Like · 1 Charles Brown quoth Mike Ballard: "Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities." November 7 at 10:58pm · Like Fu Lin-lin Ideally speaking, in his brain, but not what freedom is.. November 7 at 11:01pm · Like Mike Ballard The point is to make it so. November 7 at 11:30pm · Like Charles Brown Mike Ballard pronounces a principle of freedom in material reality, not in his brain. He pronounces a materialist , not idealist, principle of freedom. November 7 at 11:32pm · Like Mike Ballard Thank you Charles Brown. Indeed, I know the difference between talking (or quoting long passages I didn't write) and making what I say a reality. I know that words don't make reality, they're just part of human reality. I know that concepts remain e...See More Yesterday at 1:59am · Edited · Unlike · 3 Fu Lin-lin It is Mike's ideal and he does not talk about what freedom that exists, but freedom which is on his mind.. Yesterday at 7:05am · Like Fu Lin-lin The material world is what exists; the ideal world is what one in his brain, his desire - what the world should be and not what it is... Yesterday at 7:11am · Like Charles Brown Mike's brain has an idea about freedom in material reality, social reality, outside of his brain. Of course , when he talks to us he has to use words from his brain, but it's not true that it is "Ideally speaking, in his brain, but not what freedom is..". It _is_ what real material freedom outside of his brain IS. Yesterday at 7:15am · Like · 1 Fu Lin-lin Mike analyzes things the way the bourgoise professors talk about economics and politics - what the world should be; and not what the world is, as it exists.. Yesterday at 7:17am · Like Fu Lin-lin A model for a materialistic way of analyzing the world is the way Marx analyses capitalism in his Capital.. Yesterday at 7:19am · Like Fu Lin-lin Mike has just expressed a desire. Yesterday at 7:21am · Like Mike Ballard Marx had no desires? ..."in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming a hunter, fisherman, shepherd, or critic." GERMAN IDEOLOGY 15 hours ago · Unlike · 3 Charles Brown Here Marx expresses desires within materialism:http://www.marxists.org/.../works/1845/theses/theses.htm Theses on Feuerbach www.marxists.org Theses on Feuerbach 10 minutes ago · Like · Remove Preview Charles Brown The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it. 10 minutes ago · Like Charles Brown Marx desired to change the world, the material world outside of his brain, but change it based on ideas in his brain. 9 minutes ago · Like Charles Brown The material world is changed by activity subjectively or from the brain guided, not just contemplating that world: I The chief defect of all hitherto existing materialism – that of Feuerbach included – is that the thing, reality, sensuousness, is conceived only in the form of the object or of contemplation, but not as sensuous human activity, practice, not subjectively. Hence, in contradistinction to materialism, the active side was developed abstractly by idealism – which, of course, does not know real, sensuous activity as such. Feuerbach wants sensuous objects, really distinct from the thought objects, but he does not conceive human activity itself as objective activity. Hence, in The Essence of Christianity, he regards the theoretical attitude as the only genuinely human attitude, while practice is conceived and fixed only in its dirty-judaical manifestation. Hence he does not grasp the significance of “revolutionary”, of “practical-critical”, activity. II The question whether objective truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a practical question. Man must prove the truth — i.e. the reality and power, the this-sidedness of his thinking in practice. The dispute over the reality or non-reality of thinking that is isolated from practice is a purely scholastic question. 7 minutes ago · Like Charles Brown Practical-critical or revolutionary activity or practice to change the world from a Realm of Necessity to a Realm of Freedom , as Mike says " Freedom's just another word for having the material ability to transcend necessities.", Freedom is the mastery of necessity. http://www.marxists.org/.../works/1877/anti-duhring/ch09.htm 1877: Anti-Duhring - XI. Freedom and Necessity www.marxists.org “In the sphere of politics and law the principles expounded in this course are b...See More 2 minutes ago · Like · Remove Preview Charles Brown This second definition of freedom, which quite unceremoniously gives a knock-out blow to the first one, is again nothing but an extreme vulgarisation of the Hegelian conception. Hegel was the first to state correctly the relation between freedom and necessity. To him, freedom is the insight into necessity (die Einsicht in die Notwendigheit). "Necessity is blind only in so far as it is not understood [begriffen]." Freedom does not consist in any dreamt-of independence from natural laws, but in the knowledge of these laws, and in the possibility this gives of systematically making them work towards definite ends. This holds good in relation both to the laws of external nature and to those which govern the bodily and mental existence of men themselves — two classes of laws which we can separate from each other at most only in thought but not in reality. Freedom of the will therefore means nothing but the capacity to make decisions with knowledge of the subject. Therefore the freer a man’s judgment is in relation to a definite question, the greater is the necessity with which the content of this judgment will be determined; while the uncertainty, founded on ignorance, which seems to make an arbitrary choice among many different and conflicting possible decisions, shows precisely by this that it is not free, that it is controlled by the very object it should itself control. Freedom therefore consists in the control over ourselves and over external nature, a control founded on knowledge of natural necessity; it is therefore necessarily a product of historical development. The first men who separated themselves from the animal kingdom were in all essentials as unfree as the animals themselves, but each step forward in the field of culture was a step towards freedom. On the threshold of human history stands the discovery that mechanical motion can be transformed into heat: the production of fire by friction; at the close of the development so far gone through stands the discovery that heat can be transformed into mechanical motion: the steam-engine. — And, in spite of the gigantic liberating revolution in the social world which the steam-engine is carrying through, and which is not yet half completed, it is beyond all doubt that the generation of fire by friction has had an even greater effect on the liberation of mankind. For the generation of fire by friction gave man for the first time control over one of the forces of nature, and thereby separated him for ever from the animal kingdom. The steam-engine will never bring about such a mighty leap forward in human development, however important it may seem in our eyes as representing all those immense productive forces dependent on it — forces which alone make possible a state of society in which there are no longer class distinctions or anxiety over the means of subsistence for the individual, and in which for the first time there can be talk of real human freedom, of an existence in harmony with the laws of nature that have become known. But how young the whole of human history still is, and how ridiculous it would be to attempt to ascribe any absolute validity to our present views, is evident from the simple fact that all past history can be characterised as the history of the epoch from the practical discovery of the transformation of mechanical motion into heat up to that of the transformation of heat into mechanical motion. about a minute ago · Like Write a comment...
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